Premiership 2015/2016

[budgetmeansbudget]

I think that John Moss has got way too much criticism from the media over his performance yesterday. People bleating about inconsistencies and this or that was/wasnt a penalty or a yellow card.

At the end of the day there wasn't a single decision that he made that was glaringly wrong as those two idiots on MOTD suggest there was. I appreciate that they are trying to give entertainment by being as incendiary as possible with their comments but saying things like the Carroll shove wasn't a penalty in a million years is utter nonsense.

They suggest that his performance was 3/10 at best. I reckon the assessor will award a much higher score as all the controversial decisions which are being highlighted could have gone either way, and therefore are not wrong.

The West Ham penalty was given after consistent infringement by Huth for which he had been warned, although it was Morgan who got pinged. He didn't given the one on Huth because it was 50 50 and West Ham hadn't been warned. He gave Leicester a penalty because from the viewpoint he had, from right behind the incident, it looked a clear shove off the ball.

At the end of the day, the referee did not take away from what was a very enjoyable match.

[sussexpob]

The penalty at the end was a shocker. But Leicester should have had one about 5 minutes earlier. Right decision sending Vardy off. There was just a total lack of consistency from the ref. Makes watching the game so frustrating for supporters.

The ref was consistent. And before someone accuses me of bias, I will use the point that Alan Shearer made about it so you know its not just me....... Before Morgan fouled Reid for the Hammers spot kick, the referee had warned the Leicester players that he would give a penalty if he saw another tug in the box. Shearer states that it was the 4th or 5th time in the game that either Morgan or Huth had impeded a West Ham player noticeably, and that the referee should not have allowed it to continue for so long. Morgan then does it again, and the ref is in no position but to give the penalty.

Rightly or wrongly, the referee uses the same reasoning in the Huth situation. After letting Leicester get off with it, he then essentially allows West Ham their own get out of jail free card, gives a warning and no penalty. The real question is, why was a warning given in the first place? I have my own opinion about it, and that is the usual narrative I wont repeat for Budget's sake, but by being lenient in the first place, it forces him then to be lenient to both teams, and at that point you have problems.

Was Vardy's first challenge a booking? Yes.... no one even questioned it until the second came.
Was Vardy's second yellow right? Undeniably.... that dive is the best acting performance I have seen in a long time.
Did Leicester get off with a few very questionable ball in the box tugs at corners? Yes, several
Was the Morgan foul a penalty? Yes
Was the Huth foul a penalty to Leicester? Yes it was
Was the Carroll tackle a foul? Absolutely not

Overall, the ref was probably balanced over the 90 minutes.

[budgetmeansbudget]

I was starting to think your post was well balanced and something I could agree with until I got to the Carroll incident. If you had said 50 50 all would have been well but you came out with the same b/s as Shearer.

[Gingerfinch]

Even Ian Wright said Carroll was a bit stupid in making the challenge. It wasn't a pen for me, but like Budget said, the ref didn't make an glaring errors. I've reffed before and it's damn difficult. Not made any easier by players diving, pulling etc. That's all players, well most, not just Leicester's.

[sussexpob]

Maybe we can agree that both Vardy and Carroll should be punished for their reactions, as I thought both were disgraceful.

We critcise refs all the time, but how anyone can stay calm and impartial when someone is balling in their face is another matter.

[budgetmeansbudget]

I saw the shouting and finger pointing at the ref with the Vardy incident but I can't remember the way Carroll reacted, thought he just stood there looking nonplussed.

[mikesiva]

With all the adulation surrounding Vardy, the media had conveniently whitewashed his past transgressions....

Remember this incident with the "Jap" in the casino?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... storm.html

I wonder how Vardy feels about playing alongside a "Jap" up front for Leicester?

And that blatant dive is Vardy up to his old tricks...he won a penalty against Man Utd in 2014 doing practically the same thing.

[sussexpob]

With all the adulation surrounding Vardy, the media had conveniently whitewashed his past transgressions....

Remember this incident with the "Jap" in the casino?

Not his first apparently either. It has been brushed under the carpet, in fact when I said in February that he was racist and unlikable, I dont think anyone knew what I was on about. Budget replied that I must really have it in for him and Leicester for some reason...... Not that its Budgets fault, so please dont rush to provide me with some defensive retort, but how a player can be idolised when last summer he behaves like that in public, I do not know. The fact he escaped with virtually no punishment and has been picked to represent England straight after is a disappointment. Even Gary Linekar in the last few days for defending it as "something that happened". This is nonsense

People think I have it in for Leicester, but I find it very hard to celebrate with such a moronic little turd who thinks its acceptable to say racist words to people in casinos.

I dont buy this "anyone can make a mistake" nonsense. You call someone a "jap", you are a racist, and you deserve punishment.

No matter how drunk I get, I dont ever seem to be tempted to use such words, so I cant see the excuse.

[budgetmeansbudget]

Bloke comes from non League to the top of the Premier League in a few years, and because he's English we can't wait to slam him down again. The slightest indiscretion gets jumped on, admittedly he may not be the nicest chap in the world, but it is really strange the way we love to put our top players down.

[Gingerfinch]

I love the way Vardy plays, apart from the obvious diving. He'll chase down anything, and has taken some goals well, like yesterday. I don't know too much about the 'Jap' incident?

[budgetmeansbudget]

I love the way Vardy plays, apart from the obvious diving. He'll chase down anything, and has taken some goals well, like yesterday. I don't know too much about the 'Jap' incident?

It wasn't a great incident, he behaved like a complete tw@t, but did apologize afterwards. Not going to hold it against him like Sussex does to the extent that he cannot find a single good word to say about his footballing achievements.

[sussexpob]

I don't know too much about the 'Jap' incident?

He was drunk in a casino playing at a poker table, and he got paranoid that the guy behind him who was simply observing (as you are allowed to in a casino, and as is common) his cards to cheat by telling others what his hand was (and there was no evidence of this at all). He told the bloke, who was of Far East Asian origin, to go away by apparently violently shouting at him, using the term "Jap" a handful of times. He then was told by someone else that the man was not interfering in the game, at which point Vardy tells the man its got "nothing to f*cking do with him" and then follows up by insisting they settle it outside. Many witnesses attest to how poor and violent his behaviour was.

At this point a teammate (it was either De Laet or Nugent) was forced to get him in a headlock and drag him away to calm him down

[sussexpob]

The idea that he is victimised because he is English is utterly laughable, Budget. Suarez got banned for eight games for saying a racist term once, and was widespread condemned.... Jamie Vardy got no ban for doing the same thing more than once, to a member of the public, with accompanying aggression and violence!! John Terry got four game ban and had the police press charges.

I cant see the difference? Is it because "the J word" is less offensive than the "N word" ??? I am sure to a Japanese person it would be no different.

Had Wayne Rooney met a british Asian in a bar and called him the "P Word", could you imagine the sh*tstorm!

[budgetmeansbudget]

Comparing Suarez to Vardy is laughable, the man has bitten, spat at and racially abused people and he got minor punishments and is lauded by all.

The word pommie is a derogatory expression used by Australians towards the English, but we rarely take offence. But if an Englishman dares say anything similar about anyone else they are hung drawn and quartered. I guess it's the old colonial masters having to set an example and rise above it!

[sussexpob]

Comparing Suarez to Vardy is laughable

Indeed it is, because Suarez has never been criminally prosecuted in court for assault when he beat up a random stranger outside a pub. And Suarez wasnt lauded by all, he was widely condemned and hated, despite being a nob. Both some odious people.

The word pommie is a derogatory expression used by Australians towards the English, but we rarely take offence

I find that term actually offensive, and have said so here on this board before.

If you went to somewhere where you were an ethnic minority, and someone called you a pom or limey or whatever, believe me its a lot more offensive. Try going to Ushuaia and seeing the banners that call English people pirates. I referenced it here two or three months ago.... its disturbing, offensive and angering when you are isolated in a place where you stand out!!

There is no debate about "Jap", its clearly racist.