3rd Test England v Pakistan, Edgbaston, Aug 3-7.

[Making_Splinters]

given themselves a chance?

can Ando bowl again? I forget the rules

Yes, Anderson can bowl in the fourth innings.

[Durhamfootman]

can he run down the middle in the 4th innings?

[Dr Cricket]

As far as England's over rate goes, as far as I am aware they were allowed to be 9 overs short due to breaks in play, so that's fine.

Pleasantly surprised to see England fight back into this test they way they have, when the lead went past 50 I must admit to fearing the worst. But, Cook and Hales batted sensibly baring a couple of lapses in judgement such as Hales' top edge over the slips that on another day would have gone straight up in their air or Cook's edge that fell 6 inches short. Hopefully more of the same tomorrow as Hales really could do with getting his confidence back. Still a big knock from the lad in a real pressure situation.

can I ask where you heard this from or read this from.
Always wanted to know how match referees work this stuff out.
By the way how much time does 9 over equate too.

barring a few reviews don't remember 9 overs worth of overs being lost today.
IMHO if Cook/Misbah don't get a fine/ban for this the over rate stuff needs changing if a team that is 9 overs short is found to be fine then clearly ICC are so lenient in the over rates they either become more strict or they add another 30 mins into the days play.
get 90 overs to be bowled in by 7 hours.

[dan08]

As far as England's over rate goes, as far as I am aware they were allowed to be 9 overs short due to breaks in play, so that's fine.

Pleasantly surprised to see England fight back into this test they way they have, when the lead went past 50 I must admit to fearing the worst. But, Cook and Hales batted sensibly baring a couple of lapses in judgement such as Hales' top edge over the slips that on another day would have gone straight up in their air or Cook's edge that fell 6 inches short. Hopefully more of the same tomorrow as Hales really could do with getting his confidence back. Still a big knock from the lad in a real pressure situation.

can I ask where you heard this from or read this from.
Always wanted to know how match referees work this stuff out.
By the way how much time does 9 over equate too.

barring a few reviews don't remember 9 overs worth of overs being lost today.
IMHO if Cook/Misbah don't get a fine/ban for this the over rate stuff needs changing if a team that is 9 overs short is found to be fine then clearly ICC are so lenient in the over rates they either become more strict or they add another 30 mins into the days play.
get 90 overs to be bowled in by 7 hours.

9 overs of play is 36 minutes. No way the reviews etc took that long.

[Making_Splinters]

As far as England's over rate goes, as far as I am aware they were allowed to be 9 overs short due to breaks in play, so that's fine.

Pleasantly surprised to see England fight back into this test they way they have, when the lead went past 50 I must admit to fearing the worst. But, Cook and Hales batted sensibly baring a couple of lapses in judgement such as Hales' top edge over the slips that on another day would have gone straight up in their air or Cook's edge that fell 6 inches short. Hopefully more of the same tomorrow as Hales really could do with getting his confidence back. Still a big knock from the lad in a real pressure situation.

can I ask where you heard this from or read this from.
Always wanted to know how match referees work this stuff out.
By the way how much time does 9 over equate too.

barring a few reviews don't remember 9 overs worth of overs being lost today.
IMHO if Cook/Misbah don't get a fine/ban for this the over rate stuff needs changing if a team that is 9 overs short is found to be fine then clearly ICC are so lenient in the over rates they either become more strict or they add another 30 mins into the days play.
get 90 overs to be bowled in by 7 hours.

Part of Cricinfo's coverage, one of the videos that plays when your reading the write up. I don't believe it is as simple as there being x amount of time per over as for example you wouldn't expect an over when a wicket has fallen to take the same time as an over where a wicket hasn't, not only do you have to wait for the batsman to get to the crease but there is also all of the setting of a new field etc. Anderson's feet will have caused time to be lost etc so I don't think you can come up with a simple equation to work it all out.

England struggle with the over rate because they don't have a spinner who can tie up one end for a protracted period of time and get through their overs to balance out the pacers.

[Dr Cricket]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricke ... w-low.html
What the hell scorers found 8 overs.
Then people wonder why Test cricket is dying or is already dead.
It absolute a joke the current over rates system, really the scorers basically always make times up to save the captains.
really I would just scrap it and make the team bowl the over till they can or be more strict with the timings.

what is clear the current system just doesn't work, Don't really care if one or two overs are not bowled but we are talking about 9 bloody overs and they basically had 17 or 18 overs left around 6pm.

[Durhamfootman]

You miss the point, bhave

in cricket, it is always okay to short change the silly sods who pay through the nose for a ticket.

Remember...... the people who decide what is and what isn't acceptable watch an awful lot of cricket, and never, ever, ever have to pay a penny to watch it.

[Dr Cricket]

I know england struggle with the overs considering they generally the only team that loses overs when their bowl and I believe cook the only captain with a warning.

Imho 9 overs is a lot to be short off considering at most times it is 2 or 3 overs and the game cook got fined on england were only short by an over or so.
Imho ICC need to be more transparent with the overrate stuff either scrap it or actually regulate it.

At the moment all teams don't care about the overrates since they know scorers would give them the time and if you look hard enough you can find the time.
10 overs an hour is a joke really.
TBH end of the day it could probably cost England the most since 10 overs equates to about 30-40 runs and that could be the difference of england winning rather than the most likely scenario of a draw and pakistan basically now facing 10 less overs than they could have faced to save the test.

[Making_Splinters]

I somehow don't get the outrage. Were either England or Pakistan obviously wasting time? Not from what I saw, though I may have missed it and would welcome a correction.

If a lot of wickets go down in a session then it is obviously going to take a decent sized chunk out of the overs, each batsmen getting out, taking their guard and the fielding side setting their field is going to take time. Players are within their rights to ask for reviews, this also takes time. All this adds up pretty quickly.

[Dr Cricket]

You miss the point, bhave

in cricket, it is always okay to short change the silly sods who pay through the nose for a ticket.

Remember...... the people who decide what is and what isn't acceptable watch an awful lot of cricket, and never, ever, ever have to pay a penny to watch it.

Although like Booth said if people stopped turning up or viewers don't watch then cricket is dead considering 99% of the money comes from tv and 80% comes from one country lol.

But cricket earns its corn from the fans. Without them, no broadcaster would touch it, and the players would vanish into irrelevance. The Test format, in particular, is never far from existential crisis.

Cricket administrators/politics does always crack me up sometimes considering they actively try to kill cricket even though they themselves know that cricket is basically screwed since most of the money comes from one country and cricket doesn't actually make money globally in 8 of the test playing nations and even then it is probably 9 as well since Sky pay peanuts for the overseas england games/icc events.

Anyway the overrates don't bother me but would like the rules to be changed or them actually doing what the playing conditions says.
it is kind of similar to the Running on the pitch crap, umpires miss it loads of times and their suddenly decide to enforce the rules.

it is pretty clear at the moment teams don't care about the over rates, quite hard to believe they bowled 20 overs in 2 hours.
No wonder people were falling asleep/acting crazy in the afternoon considering even the players didn't wanna play on this crap of a wicket.

[Making_Splinters]

I don't get how you'd have a hard and fast rule that could be completely enforced.

All bowlers will take a slightly different time to bowl an over, a bad over where there are fours or even worse, sixes, will take longer than an over that is blocked out. The DRS can take 20 seconds or ten minutes. Those would just be the blatantly obvious issues, not even getting into what you do about when players have an issue with conditions or when a spectator gets in front of the sight screen or other such issues.

As far as running on the pitch goes, it's a lot like no balls. It's not something you are looking for unless it's blatant, but once you spot it then you're going to be paying attention to it and it will be brought up for a bowler more often, not probably helped by Jimmy's attitude yesterday.

[Dr Cricket]

I somehow don't get the outrage. Were either England or Pakistan obviously wasting time? Not from what I saw, though I may have missed it and would welcome a correction.

If a lot of wickets go down in a session then it is obviously going to take a decent sized chunk out of the overs, each batsmen getting out, taking their guard and the fielding side setting their field is going to take time. Players are within their rights to ask for reviews, this also takes time. All this adds up pretty quickly.

their wasn't time wasting at such but England were not quick to bowl and probably didn't want to bowl in this docile wicket and at the same time pakistan were batting slow as well.
the last two session were quite tedious, once Anderson got off the game went really slow and boring.
Think england expected the tail to wag or something because it didn't look like england were trying to get the last 2 wickets and pakistan were basically happy to score 1 run an over.
Suspect most of the slowness was because of this plus the usual 2-3 overs in the morning session.
not having a spinner make a difference as well.

they might not been an obvious time wasting etc but was apparent that the overrates were slow.
if anything I put it down to the ICC not taking action, if ICC were more strict I can guarantee England/Pakistan would have been quicker in the middle overs.

Really england and pakistan trotted along in the middle session.
really both teams were to blame.

Really my outrage is at the ICC surely 9 overs is too much.
Teams today were 1 hour behind they were around 18 overs at 6pm, if Yasir didn't bowl much today it would have been around 25 overs or something.

Reckon loads of articles on it probably says something as well since the cricket was very tedious and slow in the middle session and that basically killed the mood in the evening where only the drunk party stand made noise and their were not really following the cricket either.

[Hampshire]

What the hell scorers found 8 overs.

Pretty easy to do really. Probably 2-3 overs for the footholes to be dug up and 2 overs for the 3 reviews along with an over for whichever Pakistan batsman took a blow to get some treatment and you're already up to 6 overs. A few extra stoppages in there for issues behind the bowlers arm and you're easily up to 8 for the day.

[Dr Cricket]

I don't get how you'd have a hard and fast rule that could be completely enforced.

All bowlers will take a slightly different time to bowl an over, a bad over where there are fours or even worse, sixes, will take longer than an over that is blocked out. The DRS can take 20 seconds or ten minutes. Those would just be the blatantly obvious issues, not even getting into what you do about when players have an issue with conditions or when a spectator gets in front of the sight screen or other such issues.

As far as running on the pitch goes, it's a lot like no balls. It's not something you are looking for unless it's blatant, but once you spot it then you're going to be paying attention to it and it will be brought up for a bowler more often, not probably helped by Jimmy's attitude yesterday.

Imho the 30 minutes extra time should cover all those.
if you can't bowl 90 overs in 6 and half hours then you are really slow.
England/pakistan would have bowled 90 overs in 7 hours and a bit today and ICC somehow found it to be ok.

personally I would change the rules that if you haven't bowled the overs after the extra 30 minutes then you are fined and get the warning with the next one being the suspension.
either that or they play till 90 overs are bowled till conditions allow it.
this half arse attidute basically means players/umpires are strolling and really slowing the game down in the middle.
players don't really care either since what ever happens they would be ok in the over rates stuff.
England would have bowled 10 overs an hour for 2 hours and would be found to be ok in this test match which is just crazy.

if you exclude the extra 30 minutes then England were found to be about 1hr 10 mins short in the overs which is crazy.

[Dr Cricket]

What the hell scorers found 8 overs.

Pretty easy to do really. Probably 2-3 overs for the footholes to be dug up and 2 overs for the 3 reviews along with an over for whichever Pakistan batsman took a blow to get some treatment and you're already up to 6 overs. A few extra stoppages in there for issues behind the bowlers arm and you're easily up to 8 for the day.

I know that is why the system needs to change.
teams will just get slower and slower especially when conditions are tough or the weather is really hot or even really cold.
Sri lanka tend to be very slow in May.

in reality the 30 minutes should cover those, can't remember all that taking more than 15 mins in total.

really I would say england are 3-4 overs short today.
if anything pakistan helped them by having a decent overrate in the evening.