2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

[Dr Cricket]

The pitches are really winding me up as well tbh - why can't we produce pitches like the ones that BD produced - those pitches were great. ball turning from the start but not really changing dramatically thereafter takes the toss out of it.

BCCI should sort this out, and India would be much better for it. Producing a pitch that isn't really turning that much even on day 4 is just stupid - plays into England's hands.

Don't actually mind this pitch since it help the bowlers, batsman and pace men plus likely to get a result.
the issue with bangladesh pitch being played in this series the game will be over in 2-3 days and people will start complaining like the SA test last year.
Can't see england getting more than 150 if they play on those and can't see india scoring more than 250-300 if the ball turning that much, they may even lose one test if Rashid bowls well.
far better playing in this pitch where india advantage is magnified so much what ever they do in the toss.
they lose the toss, Ashwin/Jadeja likely to get things on day 1 and bowl england for a decent total let say 250-300, india can get a good score on day 2-3 and only day 4-5 Ashwin/Jadeja should win the game with the batsman either chasing the target or winning by innings.

What I hate is the moaning from the fans and the press.
Literally had people moaning that Rajkot was a good test, then a bad test, then a good test because the toss wasn't important and india could still draw after losing a toss to both pitches being *modded* because England haven't won a game and the pitch is awful because the ball keeping low and turning a lot.
The ironic part is Indians and pakistani fans are claiming the pitch is flat and not even turning on day 4.

Think this wicket is the way BCCI should go although it maybe needs a bit more pace but like I said many times before if you add too much pace the game can be over in 3 days and batting gets very tricky indeed and you would have people moaning that games not lasting the distance.

[Dr Cricket]

How has the toss got anything to do with india setting a massive chase for England on day 4 and 5.
was the toss the reason England lost 5 cheap wickets on day 2 or for Ali, Ansari and Rashid to bowl the wrong line and length on day 1 and basically gifting 100 easy runs to india on day 1.
If the toss was massive then teams wouldn't be winning in india after losing the toss enough said.

Toss has played such limited and pretty much insignificant part of the game now on day 5 that literally all the advantage or disadvantages of the toss would have been vanished by the cricket that been followed.
Explain to me how the toss been important on this game when England collapsed easily on day 2 and then Bairstow, Stokes, Rashid show the pitch not a minefield and then Cook, Hammed survive and score runs on day 4, that alone shows england could have scored runs and survive better if they actually played well or Ali bowling on day 2 again showing what could have happened on day 1.

[rich1uk]

How has the toss got anything to do with india setting a massive chase for England on day 4 and 5.
was the toss the reason England lost 5 cheap wickets on day 2 or for Ali, Ansari and Rashid to bowl the wrong line and length on day 1 and basically gifting 100 easy runs to india on day 1.
If the toss was massive then teams wouldn't be winning in india after losing the toss enough said.

Toss has played such limited and pretty much insignificant part of the game now on day 5 that literally all the advantage or disadvantages of the toss would have been vanished by the cricket that been followed.
Explain to me how the toss been important on this game when England collapsed easily on day 2 and then Bairstow, Stokes, Rashid show the pitch not a minefield and then Cook, Hammed survive and score runs on day 4, that alone shows england could have scored runs and survive better if they actually played well or Ali bowling on day 2 again showing what could have happened on day 1.

this is getting tiresome, didn't think i would need to use the ignore function after coming back to this site but guess i was wrong ...

[meninblue]

The pitches are really winding me up as well tbh - why can't we produce pitches like the ones that BD produced - those pitches were great. ball turning from the start but not really changing dramatically thereafter takes the toss out of it.

BCCI should sort this out, and India would be much better for it. Producing a pitch that isn't really turning that much even on day 4 is just stupid - plays into England's hands.

I did get to watch some action in both tests. These wickets are not what the typical Indian wickets were wrt spin they are offering now.

[The Professor]

India at home in this position has to be a win from here.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Jayant Yadav not being given much bowling to do yet. Probably get the ball tomorrow, but not much opportunity so far and bowling a lot less than the seamers.

What a bonus it would be if Duckett could get a start tomorrow.

[Dr Cricket]

Without wanting to sound like Bhaveshgor, I do have to agree that its pretty bizarre that people in the media are saying this pitch has done nothing, and that its slow and dead. I thought Vijay's wicket bounced a little higher than he was expecting, I thought Ranane got out to a ball that swung to levels you wouldnt expect in India, Stokes got swing in the middle overs, and Ali and Rashid found big amounts of turn for a day one pitch. Anderson was the only person to get his line and length right, and he was the only one to create problems.

The horrifying truth for England is, this pitch has already shown signs of up and down bounce, its a little bit two paced, the ball has swung both old and new, and its predicted to spin big from tomorrow afternoon is previous games on this surface are anything to go by. England are going to have to bat well to get up to India's current score, let alone whatever they end with.... or India are going to have to play bad cricket and not take chances.

So not only me Rich.

[Dr Cricket]

In fact, rather than moan about pitches, the England attack really needs to look at the way they bowled. Stokes wasted the movement in the air by bowling 75% of his balls into the middle of the pitch, the England spinners blinked before the Indian batsman, as it took Pujara one shot down the wicket at 40-2 odd where he used his feet, and both spinners sucked their length shorter.

These spinners really bowled poorly. They didnt create pressure andthey threw in buffet balls all over the place.

If you are going to go for runs, then at least do it being aggressive. Trying and failing to bowl defensively is what every batsman wants to face. England dont see capable with this spinner attack of keeping teams below 3 or even 4 an over, so sod the run rate and take really aggressive and attacking lines.

At the moment they seem stuck in a compromise of defending to compensate their lack of ability in keeping the runs down. You are asking quality players to get out to bad or nonsense balls, which isnt going to happen

Again.

[Dr Cricket]

Well that why I wanted India to lose the toss, finally kills the toss argument.
Yes the toss was important on this game shanky, but not enough that you basically losthe game on the first day very easily as well.
England could have easily made the toss adavantage back if they played better especially with India losing early wickets.

Again what I said early on.

[hopeforthebest]

How has the toss got anything to do with india setting a massive chase for England on day 4 and 5.
was the toss the reason England lost 5 cheap wickets on day 2 or for Ali, Ansari and Rashid to bowl the wrong line and length on day 1 and basically gifting 100 easy runs to india on day 1.
If the toss was massive then teams wouldn't be winning in india after losing the toss enough said.

Toss has played such limited and pretty much insignificant part of the game now on day 5 that literally all the advantage or disadvantages of the toss would have been vanished by the cricket that been followed.
Explain to me how the toss been important on this game when England collapsed easily on day 2 and then Bairstow, Stokes, Rashid show the pitch not a minefield and then Cook, Hammed survive and score runs on day 4, that alone shows england could have scored runs and survive better if they actually played well or Ali bowling on day 2 again showing what could have happened on day 1.

this is getting tiresome, didn't think i would need to use the ignore function after coming back to this site but guess i was wrong ...

I know what you mean rich, I rarely engage in debate but he fills up about 50 % of the posts.

[Dr Cricket]

Well played batters

Wondering how much lead will we get.

india should get a massive lead.
Doubt england would reach 300.

Again was right.

[Dr Cricket]

Lol key think india were more dangerous with the ball because the pitch deteriorated.
why do they allow these idiots to be on the tv.

Pitch hadn't even deteriorated at the time and still hasn't.

[Dr Cricket]

This is starting to look like one of those dreadful Indian pitches of old. The zero bounce is far more dangerous than spin. Duckett out in almost identical fashion to his previous dismissals both here and in BD. Josh Buttler might be playing next game.

Not sure the pitch is dreadful hope, looks a good wicket to me.

[hopeforthebest]

I doubt that Duckett will sleep too well knowing that this could be a defining innings for him. Sadly I doubt anyone holds out much hope that he's capable of playing a long innings which is the order of the day, a barnstorming 50 may please him but hardly anyone else.

[yuppie]

I doubt that Duckett will sleep too well knowing that this could be a defining innings for him. Sadly I doubt anyone holds out much hope that he's capable of playing a long innings which is the order of the day, a barnstorming 50 may please him but hardly anyone else.

He will just have to set out to occupy the crease for as long as possible. If every batsman can last 100 balls then they are safe.....