England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

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Choose two England ODI spinners.

James Tredwell
3
13%
Derek Underwood
3
13%
Graeme Swann
11
48%
Adil Rashid
3
13%
Vic Marks
0
No votes
John Emburey
0
No votes
Eddie Hemmings
0
No votes
Ashley Giles
0
No votes
Moeen Ali
1
4%
Robert Croft
2
9%
Richard Illingworth
0
No votes
Geoff Miller
0
No votes
Phil Edmonds
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 23

England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:40 pm

So far we have

1. Trescothick
2. Hales
3. Root
4. Pietersen
5. Collingwood
6.
7. Flintoff
8.
9.
10.
11. Gough
12. Anderson

At the end we can choose from twelve options for who we want to leave out.

The vote on the other categories remains open so please contribute if you haven't yet.

Now the selection moves on to the spinners. Please choose two from the above options.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:41 pm

These are the stats on all ENgland spinners with 25 wickets v other top eight sides.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

Just missing out with 20 wickets are Hick, Patel and Blackwell, who have a chance of featuring in the all rounder category.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:48 pm

I went for Swann (surely must) and Underwood. True Deadly might have been hard to hide in the field, but while his econ can be explained by the period he played in, his SR was very good as well, and better than most of the newer players. And he was a very accurate operator. I have a SLA and an OB.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby sussexpob » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:05 pm

Not sure Underwood qualifies. His best series is vs the Aussies in 1977, but that was a team with what, two actual players originally selected with the rest being booted for Packer? He hardly plays an away game, he isnt selected in the two world cups in his career, and looking at the bowlers for England in his era, there are 6 or 7 that have better averages than him with equal or lower strike rates (and a min of 10 wickets).

One is Edmonds, who carves out a 2.8 econ and a sub 20 average.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby sussexpob » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:09 pm

Swanns a given. Tredwell is a given too.

When you look at what Tredwell was able to do against people like India, with their all power line ups, its pretty incredible. Average for anyone playing exclusively post 2010 to be 4.75 is seriously impressive over 60 games. Wonder how many players retire with a sub 30 average in tests as a spinner, and an excellent record in ODIs, and were treated with so little respect.

Symptom of Flower power that..... I guess he failed his spelling test too
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:26 pm

Underwood played a few games after the Packer era (from memory). I remember him in his post-Packer blue England kit. Before WSC cricket they played in white. None of his games were against weakened sides- he was a Packer player himself. Fair enough, it's a limited career. But its also how frugal he was in all cricket that gives me the hunch he should be in.

Can't see anyone else going for him mind. I'd have Tredwell, but I don't want two offies.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Gingerfinch » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:53 pm

Swann and Croft, though I would only play the former.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby alfie » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:16 am

Going to agree with Arthur on this. Swann and Underwood. Class is permanent...we can hide one "old school" fielder.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:06 pm

Bump. Any more votes out there?
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby DiligentDefence » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:18 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Bump. Any more votes out there?

Trouble is I can't decide. Swann is in but still struggling to decide. Oh go on then. Tredwell even though I'd prefer a left arm spinner.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:30 pm

Cheers DD.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Gingerfinch » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:32 pm

Nick Cook averaged 19 with the ball in ODI's.................but only played three games!
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:37 pm

I think he got the yips didn't he?
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Gingerfinch » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:41 pm

Don't remember tbh. I do remember liking his action for some reason.
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Re: England All Time ODI XI- the spinners

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:24 pm

Quite liked his Raffles type bearing and looks, like he was a gentleman jewel thief who played cricket for England as an amateur.

Had an excellent tour of Pakistan when England won there.
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