sussexpob wrote:I guess we have all been through this many times. I can already feel Alfie will be reading this rant today shaking his head in disapproval, but I just don't get it at all. I really, 100% honestly can't fathom it. I am not trying to wind people up or just defend previous points, it baffling to me.
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Haha ... It wouldn't be CMS without you having an extensive rant about something , SP
Look , you are entitled to your views. I do shake my head a little at your assertion that all the England management (people who have actually played , coached etc at levels far beyond any of us on here ) are totally brainless fools with no understanding of the game ; but let that pass...
To be clear : I am
not a fan of the Bashir experiment. I was a little bemused at his original selection ; mollified slightly by his quite reasonable performances in India (though I agree with you , the figures flattered him a little given the conditions ) and have continued to reserve judgement watching his subsequent often underwhelming results. However : given England have struggled to put on the field a spin bowler capable of actually winning Test Matches in helpful conditions , or really nailing down a strong support role in less favourable ones , since Swann twelve years ago , I can understand why they might be prepared to put a bit of work into someone that they have identified as having the
potential to do a serious job once he develops his game.
Are they dreaming ? Is it likely that he will end up dumped like others tried (all too briefly) and all back to the drawing board ? Very possibly . As an England supporter I hope not but remain to be convinced. Just not ready to condemn the whole project as a write off just yet... not as if there have been many alternatives leaping out have there ?
(The whole Australian thing is a non-event for me. They thought his style would suit Aussie pitches : we will never know because in 2025 we didn't get Aussie pitches - even the home team's star spinner Lyon hardly bowled a ball ; and for whatever reason Bashir didn't play. From my own perspective I was very sceptical about the prospect of Bashir having any influence as I've seen too many even highly regarded English spinners being ineffective in this country : would have preferred them to pick a holding spinner who could bat - which in the end I guess they did , in the person of Jacks. I'd have liked to see Hartley but he seems to have drifted off the radar. All irrelevant now...it is done)
One of the biggest problems facing young English spinners seems to be that they just don't get enough action in the CC in even remotely favourable conditions : and indeed many find themselves sitting on the bench at critical times in their careers - something not very helpful to their development. I'd say that certainly hasn't helped Bashir ; and it is possible the change of County which is getting him more game time might be doing some good . (Not interested in comparing averages : unless we are watching all of these games to see the circumstances I don't believe raw figures in the CC in May mean a lot for the Test arena.)
To sum up : I understand why they are persisting with Bashir , and do not believe it is simply pig headedness - though of course it may well prove misguided. I don't think I'd be picking him ; but I am not there watching him at training or privy to all the analysis available to the management. Nor have I played or coached at First Class level (my coaching certificate is at a slightly lower level) so my opinion is possibly not worth a lot. I somehow doubt a wet week in early June at Lord's is going to tell us a lot anyway so I imagine we can continue this later in the season ; but for now I am happy to leave it to the appointed men to pick the team - and hope it works out.
You are of course free to throw rotten fruit at the whole business - and indeed at my theories
But I hope we can all agree to get behind the team - and potentially take pleasure if the results are decent ; rather than just dwell on the sidelines looking for opportunities to put the boot in whenever our personal choices are disregarded ?