The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[D/L]

Or in other words what you have decided on your own volition is the case.

This is becoming rather pointless to say the least, those who have professed repeatedly that they don't want to see KP back in the team are now switching to what are essentially conspiracy theories to continue their argument.

With the ECB having made up it's mind there really does seem little reason to continue to indulge this matter.

Oh, not the old conspiracy theory chestnut when there is disagreement with a plausible theory put forward. Most conspiracy theories I have heard have at least an element of incredibility.

The Pietersen camp’s reaction to the reporting of the texts should be the clincher that he behaved disgracefully. Despite this, that the ECB want him back in the team can only be down to other considerations overriding principle.

The “I didn’t think they were offensive, but I can see how others might” explanation simply does not hold water and it is surprising how it seems to hoodwink some.

[hopeforthebest]

It's time to put this to one side now and hope things work out. Surely KP will go to India for the tests as it would be crazy to pay him to sit at home for the first 3 months of his 4 month contract.

[Kim]

I wonder if a 4 month contarct has one other purpose - to sweep away the legal issues involved in giving him all those one year fixed-term contracts? Presumably , if hes accepted this variation, the rules about unfair dismissal if its not renewed dont apply?

[D/L]

Pietersen never had a prayer of winning an unfair dismissal case anyway, Kim. It’s a bit of a red herring, I think.

As hftb says, it would seem strange to pay Pietersen for kicking his heels during the India tour. However, this is the ECB!

[The Waugh Twins]

I can't follow what you Lawyers above are going on about, but in my humble opinion I wouldn't have him back in the Aussie side much like we left out Symonds.

I'm a big fan of Pietersen, and was an even bigger fan of Symonds, but there comes a time when you have to side with morality over gain.

I don't know exactly what the tweets were all about, but this is not the first odd Pietersen issue and it wont be the last. A great player, but perhaps not a great person.

It was a tough decision to drop Symonds bringing a lot of negative reaction and also left Australia a weaker team.

You can usually count on an Aussie to get the nub of the matter right.

However, we want to beat you lot so most of us I'd guess want him in the team, if rather guardedly......

Frightfully English don't you know!

Yes I know what you mean. It's funny because during the Botham/Gower era they actually went the other way from memory. With Gowers flight over the GABBA and Botham admitting to smoking pot they took some fairly strong stances over them if I recall correctly.

I actually loved that England team especially the two mentioned. Botham brought in the slog like no one had ever done before, and I'll never forget Gowers 144 against the Kiwis when he clipped Hadley off his toes for consecutive sixes.

Oh those were the days when cricket was still naive. Miss it.

[Making_Splinters]

Or in other words what you have decided on your own volition is the case.

This is becoming rather pointless to say the least, those who have professed repeatedly that they don't want to see KP back in the team are now switching to what are essentially conspiracy theories to continue their argument.

With the ECB having made up it's mind there really does seem little reason to continue to indulge this matter.

Oh, not the old conspiracy theory chestnut when there is disagreement with a plausible theory put forward. Most conspiracy theories I have heard have at least an element of incredibility.

The Pietersen camp’s reaction to the reporting of the texts should be the clincher that he behaved disgracefully. Despite this, that the ECB want him back in the team can only be down to other considerations overriding principle.

The “I didn’t think they were offensive, but I can see how others might” explanation simply does not hold water and it is surprising how it seems to hoodwink some.

Sorry, D/L, but that's all you are doing now, simply trying to find another angle to continue your justification for Pietersen not being in the team. First it was his actions should see him kept out, now those in the position to actually made decisions are on the other side of the tracks from you it is that their and others motivations are unprincipled and I'm sure it will be something else down the line.

Like I said above, the ECB has made its decision which means there is really little point in continuing to indulge your or anyone else's speculation.

I bid this wonderful thread adieu and will leave those who want to continue finding reasons to argue their point to their own devices.

[The Waugh Twins]

Ok then well that's that, lets close down the forum like a Ramsey Nightmare restaurant, just kidding.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and in mine I believe it is a moral mistake to take the Pie man back. Is it a good business move for England success, you would think so unless he screws up again. I think it is unavoidable that he will screw up again just like a child always does that has been spoilt by it's parents.

He's in the England side and that's dandy, but it's not very fair to be having a go at people for saying he shouldn't be.

[D/L]

Or in other words what you have decided on your own volition is the case.

This is becoming rather pointless to say the least, those who have professed repeatedly that they don't want to see KP back in the team are now switching to what are essentially conspiracy theories to continue their argument.

With the ECB having made up it's mind there really does seem little reason to continue to indulge this matter.

Oh, not the old conspiracy theory chestnut when there is disagreement with a plausible theory put forward. Most conspiracy theories I have heard have at least an element of incredibility.

The Pietersen camp’s reaction to the reporting of the texts should be the clincher that he behaved disgracefully. Despite this, that the ECB want him back in the team can only be down to other considerations overriding principle.

The “I didn’t think they were offensive, but I can see how others might” explanation simply does not hold water and it is surprising how it seems to hoodwink some.

Sorry, D/L, but that's all you are doing now, simply trying to find another angle to continue your justification for Pietersen not being in the team. First it was his actions should see him kept out, now those in the position to actually made decisions are on the other side of the tracks from you it is that their and others motivations are unprincipled and I'm sure it will be something else down the line.

Like I said above, the ECB has made its decision which means there is really little point in continuing to indulge your or anyone else's speculation.

I bid this wonderful thread adieu and will leave those who want to continue finding reasons to argue their point to their own devices.

It is still Pietersen’s actions that should exclude him from the team, M_S. Nothing has changed in that regard. The ECB, according to their announcement today, have merely “compounded the felony”.

[D/L]

Ok then well that's that, lets close down the forum like a Ramsey Nightmare restaurant, just kidding.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and in mine I believe it is a moral mistake to take the Pie man back. Is it a good business move for England success, you would think so unless he screws up again. I think it is unavoidable that he will screw up again just like a child always does that has been spoilt by it's parents.

He's in the England side and that's dandy, but it's not very fair to be having a go at people for saying he shouldn't be.

Indeed, TWT. It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that, in the long term, the ECB have made a massive rod for their own backs (a poor substitute for a backbone, really).

[The Waugh Twins]

Ok then well that's that, lets close down the forum like a Ramsey Nightmare restaurant, just kidding.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and in mine I believe it is a moral mistake to take the Pie man back. Is it a good business move for England success, you would think so unless he screws up again. I think it is unavoidable that he will screw up again just like a child always does that has been spoilt by it's parents.

He's in the England side and that's dandy, but it's not very fair to be having a go at people for saying he shouldn't be.

Indeed, TWT. It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that, in the long term, the ECB have made a massive rod for their own backs (a poor substitute for a backbone, really).

Like I said about Symonds earlier when we dropped him permanently, it was painful but you knew it had to be done.

[KipperJohn]

Pietersen needs to learn the true meaning of two words.

Basil D'Oliveira.

[#Brown]

idk if it's already been posted but I thought Selvey's piece in the guardian summarised the entire situation pretty well. Not normally a big fan of his either tbh.

Here's the link if anyone's interested: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... n-comeback)

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Selvey got rightly roasted below the line. This is just a hatchet job. Take out the hate, and there's nothing left.

[Arthur Crabtree]

This one by Vic Marks is funny though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... les-clarke

[Kim]

Selvey got rightly roasted below the line. This is just a hatchet job. Take out the hate, and there's nothing left.

I thoiuht it was an excellent summary of the facts for 80% of the time that spoilt itself by spending the last 20% on speculation about KP motives/people's feelings.

But hopefully they are all running out of things to say now.