2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:42 pm

Don't think you can take this innings into account, and I didn't think he was overly defensive in the second innings of the first test.

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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:05 pm

Sounds like Broad isn't confident of making the Mohali Test (Saturday) though not ruled out.

The article I just read says England have been planning to pick four seamers for this game. I'm a bit surprised at that as Mohali has long had a reputation for helping pace which has rarely been justified. Presumably, if Broad doesn't make it, one of Finn or Ball will appear. Unless, as has been hinted, one of the Currans gets a call.
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:11 pm

KipperJohn wrote:in 2012 in the second innings of the final Test in Nagpur, Trott made 143 in 403 balls and Bell 116 not out in 405 balls - thus drawing the game and ensuring a series win.


That didn't really feel like backs to the wall resistance though, as the pitch was extremely flat, and a real bowlers heartbreaker. Bell and Trott mainly tidied up their tour stats in that game. It'll feel a lot different if a couple of bats dig in tomorrow.
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby meninblue » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:11 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Sounds like Broad isn't confident of making the Mohali Test (Saturday) though not ruled out.

The article I just read says England have been planning to pick four seamers for this game. I'm a bit surprised at that as Mohali has long had a reputation for helping pace which has rarely been justified. Presumably, if Broad doesn't make it, one of Finn or Ball will appear. Unless, as has been hinted, one of the Currans gets a call.


Mohali would not help spin much imo. I think it is batsman friendly.
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby andy » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:12 pm

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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:14 pm

Seem to remember Kumble doing well there.
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby meninblue » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:14 pm

Dont think Mohali would be as hot as Vizag. The weather would be bit of relief for England players.
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:19 pm

Fair enough, which will help the quicks to physically punch out the overs. Credit to Broad by the way, not just for the wickets but for bowling eight overs in a spell and showing a lot of heart. Especially as Rashid bowled from the other end, giving SB less rest time (not that England were getting through their overs).
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:24 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:has a bit in it for the seamers Mohali


Nothing much on here for seam.

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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby andy » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:25 pm

One of the few pitches in India, that tends to leave a bit of grass on and some decent carry
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:26 pm

Speaking to some indian fans they think the last time mohali helped the pace men was in 2001.
Think mohali slow and dry now and did turn the most against SA last year.
think English journo are hoping mohali plays like it does in the 1990s and ranji games with Kumble and Kohli basically saying they want the pitches to be natural and they backing india to beat england on good decks and not over the top spin or doctored pitches.
Although that not to say the pitch will be totally flat, suspect the pitch would have enough spin and variable bounce on day 1 so the bowlers got something to work with.
if Ashwin doesn't take any wicket on first innings or the pace men struggling you suspect kohli/kumble would have words and most likely the tv men as well like they did after Rajkot.

Not sure the Mohali deck will be anything like the english journo expected, not sure it has the pace and bounce broad will like or the grass to encourage seam movement that the ranji pitches have to suit Sandeep sharma and punjab quality pace attack.
punjab probably one of the states that produces good fast bowlers and the pitches are made for them, apart from Harby they don't really have much spinners.

with mohali being played in the north, if the deck does have grass it does behave bit like an english wicket, generally the north is known for green tops, the south for Rank turners and Gujarat, Nagpur etc for batting decks although they are exception to the rule.
Also doubt they be watering the ground in Mohali or even leaving grass on the deck, I be very surprised if the pitch suits england although if they leaving the pitches to nature and how it normally plays mohali could be a draw since it isn't known for Turning.

I be honest I have no idea how Mohali will be played and unless the groundsman does something it might be a dull draw since the pace of the wicket very slow and it hardly bounces now and I highly doubt they would make it suit England either.
only WI have won on this ground and that was 1994
india won 6 times and 5 draws.
last draw in 2008 which was a very dull draw against england.
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby meninblue » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:27 pm

Broad was picked by Kings 11 Punjab in 2011 whose home ground is Mohali. It was anticipated that the pitch would suit him. Broad did not tour for IPL that season for some reason.
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:27 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:has a bit in it for the seamers Mohali

hasn't help the seamers for a very long time certainly in Test matches.

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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby meninblue » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:29 pm

If someone expects Indian wickets to suit pacers then good luck :D
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Re: 2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:30 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:One of the few pitches in India, that tends to leave a bit of grass on and some decent carry

hasn't actually left grass either for a while and hasn't really had decent carry since maybe 2011 or 2012 now it can't hardly carry well. They do really need to relaid the square.
haven't done it since opening and grounds need to be relaid every 8-10 yrs to maintain pace and carry.
imagine how slow it is after 24 or 28 yrs.
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